Tuesday, February 28, 2006

The Truth About StudioTraffic: It's Not Really YOUR Company

This was posted by a member of talkgold who made previous posts parodying John Horan. In actuality, that member is me. I made the John Horan account, as a means of entertainment. This ST stuff is downright depressing and sickening, and frankly, it's nice to have some humor once in a while. People have doen the same thing during the 12 Daily Charis Johnson debacle.

But here, I stepped out of my character at talkgold, to post something very serious. Frankly, I am sick and tired of these ST cheerleading goofballs with no hearts at all coming on forums like talkgold.com, being rude and disrespectful to others, insulting and offensive, and overly arrogant. I am sick of ST cheerleaders posting on ST forums and other forums how nothing can stop ST and how ST is immune to the law. I am sick of it, plain and simple. I have reported ST to the SEC and to CNN in hopes of getting them reported in the media for the general public to see. We'll see if those cheerleaders still think ST is so invincible.

The following post is one I made under my joke name "John Horan" at talkgold.com, in response to a nasty insulting ST cheerleader, who felt it was his responsibility to insult and degrade other members who wish to speak the truth about ST. Read on to see my response. I want everyone reading this to read closely and think hard on what I am saying here. I am a major in advertising. I'm not some fancy hot shot CEO, but I have learned and am still learning many things from my professors, professors who are actually actively involved in advertising and advertising companies and the media. Everything I say in this post is real, and not lies, or "speculation", it is all based on cold hard facts. I could care less what the real John Horan or any ST mods or cheerleaders have to say. I trust my professors, who have actual credentials and years and years of real hands on experience in advertising, over some phony shadowy figure online pretending to run a legit business. This one is for you, the REAL John Horan, the scamming slimeball behind StudioTraffic. Any of you who wish to, may feel free to post what I say on the ST forums. Post so that the cheerleaders, mods, and John himself can see what I have to say. I especially want the innocent ST members who have done no wrong and are worried about what is going on to read, so that their eyes can fully be opened as to what is really going on.
If my posts seems overly harsh, I am sorry, but this person made very rude and disrespectful comments to myself and others, and I will NOT stand for it.




"I shall step out of character here to address the ramblings of this buffoon. See, my posts are merely entertainment, parodies of the real things John says. It doesn't take much to pretend to be John, just post in broken english and piss poor grammar, and constantly contradict yourself in each sentence.

And your disrespectful comments are mere assumptions and not even necessary at all. Tell me, why would I want to actually be John Horan? Who in their right mind says "I want to grow up to be a filthy lying scammer"? No one, that's who. I would rather earn my money in an honest and decent way, providing an actual service. I have far more respect for people who own stores on ebay than I ever would for John Horan, because they provide real products and services to people.

Tell me, what does John provide? ST paid in the beginning, but the program has proven to be a flop as all ponzi scams do. All John does now is BS his way through, making up phony programs to fool people like you into thinking ST is doing well. You know what? I hear John swear up and down that ST is not his company, but YOURS, the memebrs. So you tell me, since John says ST is YOUR company, what is the revenue earned by each of the branches of Studio Programs? Why is StudioBlogger, StudioWalker, and many other Studio Programs not up and running? Why is it that you can't even tell me who John Horan is, and where he is located, despite the fact he claims he is simply your partner in business? if I ran a business with partners, not only would I know their names, their faces, and what they are like, but I would also know where they live and have real ways of contacting them. Has John ever given you his phone number? His business card? His location? No, he hasn't, and yet you blindly trust him, all because at one point in time, ST USED TO pay people.

If ST is a great and fresh new business opportunity, then why have I seen no ads in any legitimate form of advertising? Ads on autosurfs and sites promoting HYIPs don't count. Where are the newspaper ads, the magazine ads? Where are the television spots? I am currently majoring in advertising in college, and I know for a fact that it is more than feasible for ST to have produced television spots, if the revenue they claim they have is real, they could easily have done it, so why haven't they? Why is a so called business that claims it is legit and prides itself on being so revolutionary, happens to be so scared to take the essential steps any real business takes when wanting to be known?

You do realize this same man you put on such a high pedestal doesn't even understand basic advertising concepts that people like me learned in our very first classes? John says revenue is down and they have less advertisers, because they "wooed less advertisers"? Sorry, that's a lame excuse. One of the basic rules in advertising is to NOT stop "wooing", you press on and keep your name out there. You search for opportunities when you can find them, you don't simply stop, especially due to something so BS as audits. These so called audits have no affect on advertising. Advertising would come from ST's own budget. You know, because REAL companies have actual budgets reserved solely for advertising? Since this is YOUR programs too, then tell me, what is your advertising budget? What are your campaign plans? What media vehicles do you plan on using to attract consumers? What is your target market and how do you plan to get their attention? Do you even know what is going on with your supposed company?

John makes the worst decisions anyone can make. He claims bad press is good, and that all the constant anti ST stuff going around online is good for ST. He honestly thinks bad press will cause people to look at ST and sign up hoping for the best. It doesn't work that way. Bad press is NOT good, regardless of what John tells you. One of the basic laws in advertising is that bad press is not good. Companies do not want bad press, why do you think companies spend so much money on Public Relations agents to spin stories and take the heat off of them? If bad press is so good, then why does John send people like you to spam forums in hopes of defending his awful scam's reputation?

Face it, ST is not a legit business, and this John Horan person knows jack shit about running a business or advertising. he made a ponzi scam that was successful for a time, and the time has come that it has stopped paying the vast majority of members. The fact that the forums are so ridiculously moderated to the point of insanity is just further proof of this. Anything posted is considered speculation or wrong when it is against ST. Yet when ass kissers make threads claiming ST will last forever till the day they die, no one seems to care, despite that being HUGE speculation.

Btw, I was looking on the ST forums and noticing certain cheerleaders boasting that the SEC cannot shut down ST, as ST is registered in Panama. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. ST has scammed countless US citizens which puts them in the jurisdiction of the US government. Not only that but:

-With the new anti terrorist laws in place, the government can go outside US jurisdiction if necessary. They could do it even before those laws were in place, now with these laws, they can be more aggressive than ever before.

-ST at one point allowed memebrs from anti US countries to sign up and make money. This alone looks extremely bad on their record. Doing "business" with people from Iran? I have nothing against people from the Middle East, but the government sure will find it interesting to know that a scam has been opening up the possibility for terrorists in anti US countries to earn and launder money.

-ST's TOS is meaningless. The government could care less if the TOS says payouts aren't guaranteed or if the payout percentage can be lwoered at any time. They sure as hell didn't care about Charis Johnson's TOS, which was the same garbage ST has on their site. The Feds don't give a rats ass about your measly TOS, to them it's just scammers garbage and they won't even bother taking it seriously.

Frankly, I got really sick and tired of all the BS going on with ST and these stupid cheerleaders, both on the ST forums and these forums as well as others. The lies, the bullshit, the constant defending of John Horan, a man with no moral fiber at all in his body, the constant denial and the blame of members for John's misdeeds, it has to stop. I'm sick and tired of cheerleaders trying to sucker in people from foreign countries like China into joining ST. It is sickening as hell to see people bragging about how many referrals they can get from China and India, how many poor people who really need money as badly as possible are getting tricked into joining ST. The constant abuse from mods, the verbal abuse from ST cheerleaders getting pissy when people tell the truth about their garbage scam. I saw a blog with a person who received death threats from ST cheerleaders all because his blog told the truth and didn't lie and sold ST as some grand business.

So, I sent complaints to the SEC, and sent reports to CNN. Since ST cheerleaders like to boast on their forums that the SEC can't touch them and that ST can beat the US government, we shall truly see now. Go ahead and post this on the ST forums, I want all their members and cheerleaders to see this. This isn't a bluff either. I can't wait for CNN to report this scam and bring it out in the open for the public to see, and I can't wait for the SEC to crack down on this crap like a sledgehammer and bring John Horan to justice."


Thread with full post can be seen here: http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75941&page=3

Thursday, February 23, 2006

Video Proof of StudioPay Hacking

As we all may know by now, StudioPay was hacked. Various ST cheerleaders, as well as mods, and John claimed it was never hacked. Evidence in the form of screenshots sent by the hacker were shown as added proof, but of course ST cheerleaders and mods lied and said it was all faked. Some ST members recognized their own faces in the photos, but cheerleaders accused them of lying and wanting to hurt ST. It was only until the hacker started emailing ST members about their information that ST decided to tell everyone and admit they were hacked. However, they still don't take it all that seriously. Many cheerleaders contend that the hacking was either faked, or that it is no big deal. Well, here is a video made by the hacker showing undeniable proof that SP was indeed hacked and that they do have personal information from over 350,000 members of ST. There are black bars in the video so as to prevent personal info of members being leaked out. Just watch the video and you will see that all along ST's mods, John, and the cheerleaders lied over and over again, and had no problems with compromising your personal information to save face.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823882894882236510
The link to the video is also posted in the title. ST claims they are investigating and telling the FBI, but considering ST s a scam and has been involved in very shifty business practices, John telling the FBI seems very unlikely. Did Enron tell the FBI anything before they scammed people out of tons of money? Charis Johnson from 12DP also claimed to be innocent, but once the FBI got involved, she sang a different tune. I suggest to you that you report ST to the FBI and CNN right away. This is of utmost importance. The hacker did do a bad thing by hacking the site in the first palce, but keep in mind ST did a horrible thing by constantly lying and denying it ever happened.

What would you have done if your account(either bank or SP account) had been emptied by the hacker? With ST having denied it all for so long, there would be nothing you could have done to protect yourself. The mods continuously stated that SP is 100% secure and can never be hacked, yet it was hacked. If the ST mods and John himself are willing to lie continuously about something so important to its members, what else do you think they'd lie about? Something to think about.

Please, report StudioTraffic and StudioPay to the news media and the proper authorities, so we can stop these lies and mindgames once and for all. ST members should not have to put up with constant lies and BS from mods and their own admin. John and the mods keep saying "ST is YOUR company", and they claim that all ST members are their partners in the "company". But when do they ever treat you as though you are actual partners/co-owners? Sorry, but business partners don't lie when important things that can have a devstating impact on their partner happens.

Report StudioTraffic to CNN: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/
Report StudioTraffic to the FBI: https:/tips.fbi.gov/

Saturday, February 18, 2006

StudioPay Hacker Now Selling Personal Information

Well, it happened. All the ST cheerleaders and mods said the hackings were fake, never happened, blah blah blah, and other such nonsense. Well, now the hacker is selling personal information of StudioTraffic members online. Any of you who are StudioTraffic members, get on the forums and ask the mods and John wtf is going on. Ask and see if they will even tell the truth or if they will lie. This hacker isn't just posting screenshots anymore, he's selling personal private info now. How many of you are willing to risk having your StudioTraffic, StudioPay, and offline bank accounts and god knows what else compromised? Tell the ST mods and John that this IS a real problem, and tell them to stop pretending it never happened!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/studiopay/

He is steadily posting more and more photos now, and he has over 322,500 accounts hacked and all of their personal information. Go to talkgold.com forums to read more at this thread: http://talkgold.com/forum/r74407-.html

I and other people tried warning StudioTraffic members about what was going on, but the ST cheerleaders kept laughing at us and saying we are lying, and the mods kept deleting our threads asking wtf was going on. Now everyone's personal information is up for sale. Thanks a lot StudioTraffic, you obviously don't give a damn about your own members, and instead only care about your reputation, sicne you tried to act as though nothing happened and carried on with that lame "StudioPay is 100% secure!" garbage

Thursday, February 16, 2006

Yet MORE Proof of StudioPay Being Hacked!

http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=top3lq.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=middle3uw.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bottom2im.jpg

Copy and paste those links. For some bizarre reason StudioTraffic is denying StudioPay was hacked, despite all the proof, and despite the fact that everyone's personal information has been compromised. Do hackers have to empty out people's SP or bank accounts before ST actually quits denying things? An ST mod telling people to be quiet and "We are investigating" is NOT reassuring at all.

New pic from the hacker, this is the admin of StudioPay's account: admin@studiopay.com
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=studiopay7yk.jpg

Funny thing, the admin sure has a LOT of money in their SP account. I bet they don't get forced to compound for 6 months or get told they can only get 15% of their total earnings.

More Proof StudioPay Was Hacked!

This is rather chilling...
The hacker has posted pics as proof that he actually got private personal info from StudioPay. This hacking is REAL and really happened, so if John or any ST member tells you this is fake, it isn't. I suggest you all go post on the forums and ask John wtf is going on and why the mods have continually lied to all the members about how StudioPay was hacked in the past and have covered up the fact that StudioPay was hacked again just now. Everyone has a right to know what is really going on. I am posting these pics on my blog so everyone can see that StudioPay really was hacked without a shadow of a doubt.

Copy and paste these links to see the pictures of all the personal information the hacker has gathered(the hacker was kind enough to post much smaller versions of the images he gathered, so as to not compromise anyone's information. Keep in mind he has the original images of everyone's personal info that he gathered from StudioPay)!
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=studio27mj.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=studio35xi.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=studio43fo.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=studio18kv.jpg

Wednesday, February 15, 2006

StudioPay Was Hacked Again!


The ST cheerleaders denied the hacking of StudioPay ever took place. The mods deleted all threads showing what happened, and even editted screenshots to make it seem as though the hacking never took place. Well people, guess what?

http://talkgold.com/forum/r73199-.html
http://talkgold.com/forum/r73644-.html

The hacker struck again, and posted screenshots to prove it, and even left a still LIVE link to the StudioPay Admin area as further proof!
http://www.studiopay.com/adminleft.php

Will StudioTraffic Admin John Horan and his mods admit this time that the site was indeed hacked? or will they lie like they did last time and claim it never happened? This hacker claims to have access to ST members' personal information, so I think anyone who are members with ST right now should be very concerned about this. Demand St to tell you all the truth. Hasn't this gone far enough? Why can't John and the mods ever tell the truth or own up to anything? Don't let them get away with more lies and more nonsense! As I stated in a previous update, report StudioTraffic to CNN and the FBI and make them pay for their lies and crimes against its own members.

I know some of you who are ST members may get angry with the hacker, but who you should really be angry with are the ST staff and John Horan, who lied about the last time StudioPay was hacked, and who will most likely lie again and say this is fake. Well, you click the screenshot and view it and you click the live link to the admin page at StudioPay(it should still be working for a while at least. Then you tell everyone if you want to believe John and his staff's lies. I really hope people start to wake up to what is going on, because I'm hoping the hacker won't have to go as far as posting personal details for the public to see just to get everyone to wake up and leave ST once and for all.

Report StudioTraffic Scam to CNN!

During the whole StormPay debacle, 12DailyPro as well as many other autosurfs got caught up in a nasty whirlwind of craziness. 12DailyPro ended up getting the spotlight however, after many members reported the site to CNN news. These memebrs were tired of Charis Johnson's scamming ways and wanted to see justice done. I suggest that anyone involved in StudioTraffic or has been involved, who has been scammed or had a friend or relative who has been scammed, report ST to CNN news as soon as possible. CNN actually did a news report on 12DailyPro after getting enough complaints and newstips about the site. Considering CNN deals with international news, I am sure they will be glad to report on a worldwide international scam that has suckered many people into parting with their money, has been rude and nasty and overly arrogant to the members, has an admin who won't even reveal his address or any information at all(and as anyone knows, bosses of legitimate businesses always have some form of contact details and information available), and lastly, has banned entire countries(the UK being really hit hard by this).

Cheerleaders will try and tell you not to report ST to CNN, they will try and trick you into thinking it is wrong, or that you could get into trouble. You cannot, I repeat CANNOT get into trouble for reporting ST to CNN. CNN can do a report on them and finally get the general public's attention drawn to ST, and hopefully that will get the ball rolling for investigations into this company. People need to know who the hell "John Horan" really is, where he comes from, why entire nations have been banned without warning, why many people have not been paid and lost money wtih ST despite John's claims that no one ever loses money with them, and why any members who ask legitimate questions get turned away having their posts deleted and told to shut up and praise ST or leave. John and his cohorts have personal information from countless people, and we need to do something to expose this fraud.

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/

Also, if at all possible, I recommend reporting StudioTraffic to the FBI as well. John Horan thinks he is invincible, but he can't escape the FBI. Don't let John Horan and his cohorts scare you into not reporting them to the proper authorities. Remember, StudioTraffic has YOUR money and YOUR personal information, yet you can't even have John's address or contact details. No way can anyone trust an operation like this.
https:/tips.fbi.gov/

Public Relations?


Someone on talkgold.com discovered something quite interesting. Many times, we have seen people posting on talkgold and other sites, defending StudioTraffic with disregard to the facts concerning the immense problems the program has been having. Someone came out and managed to find out that the reason these defenders have joined forums posting and defending ST so religiously, is because it is an actual JOB at ST. That's right. For people who have had their accounts blocked or have not gotten paid, one of the possible "contributions" they were allowed to give to ST, was to become a "public relations" person, signing up for forums all over the internet and defending ST to improve their reputation online.



Isn't that just great? So you can't even trust what the people who constantly defend ST say, because if anything, they've been contracted to pretend everything is fine at StudioTraffic, so more unsuspecting people will join! This is truly sickening and an outrage. The talkgold thread is linked in the title, but here is another link, go check it out:
http://talkgold.com/forum/r72955-.html
And here is the ST page showing the whole "public relations" nonsense, which can be seen also in the screenshot above this post:
www.studiotraffic.com/st_options.htm

Wednesday, February 01, 2006

Please Read This Thread And learn More Concerning Payouts And Accounts

http://talkgold.com/forum/r67799-.html

Click that link and read that thread, this is very important. This is concerning the new withdrawal policies at ST, basically that you either get only 15% of your earnings for 6 months, or you compound and get none of your earnings till 6 months are over. Well, think about this...

ST says they don't have the funds available to pay everyone in full, correct? Ok then... so instead they make everyone "in profit" compound for 6 months, this being in addition to the three or so months auditing occurred. So... this means once the time limit is up, these people will have much much higher account levels. So then what? These people WILL want their earnings, they've compounded for so long, and they will not simply accept a tiny amount of their earnings. So what happens when you get a TON of ST members who have compounded endlessly for months, and now want their money they rightfully earned? You have any idea how large the payouts will be? How much money that will be required to pay all these people in full? So tell me, what will happen then? Will John make up some other phoney excuse and trick more people into compounding again or accepting only a small amount of their total earnings?

Another thing I'd like to address. TalkGold as well as other forums have had many instances of StudioTraffic members mass spamming the ST folder sections in hopes of pushing the "bad" threads off the front page, so newcomers will think ST is fine and join. These spammers call TalkGold a scam and accuse everyone of promoting scams. Well I'll tell you here and now, TG is a FREE area. People can promote good things or bad. It is up to YOU to decide what to invest your money in, not anyone else. No one forces anyone to join any programs, you do that of your own accord. TG forums are free and allow freedom of speech. Notice how an ST spammer showed up in that thread to say TG was a scam? Notice his post was NOT deleted? Know why that is? Because TG is NOT a scam, and because TG allows people to speak their mind.

Look at StudioTraffic forums. I am sure many of you who are memebrs or who have browsed the forums have seen how things run there. People ask questions that are legitimate, and the mods delete all their posts, edit them, while ST cheerleaders post lame smilies, scream 'I LOVE ST FOREVER" "be patient be patient be patient" over and over, and in some cases, memebrs posing real questions actually get insulted or told they are lucky to even be with ST at all despite getting nothing. How is that a free forum? I ask you, would a business that isn't really a scam be so scared as to not let anyone even ask simple questions cocnerning real issues many members go through? You can't tell me threads don't get deleted, you see screenshots here of the things the ST mods delete and edit and don't want you to see. ST cheerleaders call anyone who opposes ST a liar or a scammer, even when it makes no sense. How is TalkGold forums a scam, when no one pays any money to post, no one pays money to be a member, no one is forced to give up any money or time at all. So how on Earth is that a scam? By that logic, www.google.com must be a scam too right?

Sorry if I seem overly angry, but I am truly sick and tired of cheerleaders going around forums trying to fool people into joining StudioTraffic, all so they can get high paying referrals. Don't believe me? Go to the forums at www.studiotraffic.org/forum and see how John is having referral contests to get memebrs to trick others into joining and putting as much money in as possible. Please do not fall for their nonsense, they will say just about anything to get you to join. They never tell new sign ups about all the problems ST is having and has had. They never tell new signups about how members either don't get paid, or barely get paid anything at all, and are forced to keep their mouths shut by Naziesque moderators who spew the same "ST cares about you" nonsense over and over.

Look, if you really want to make money online, research it well. You could open a store on ebay using dropshippers, you could be an affiliate for clicbank or any other affiliate sites, you could be an affiliate for a pharmacy online and make good money promoting them and making sales. You can write your own ebook and sell that at www.Payloadz.com You could invest in other more stable autosurfs, you could invest in anything you want, I honestly don't care. You can put the money under your matress, just please don't put it into StudioTraffic. if you really want to invest your own money into a program online, do the research and find a good, reliable program, that actually PAYS its members.

John says StudioTraffic cannot be compared to other businesses like Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, McDonalds, and many others. I agree. Because unlike StudioTraffic, those are all real companies with real products and services to sell that actually PAY THEIR INVESTORS/EMPLOYEES! McDonalds doesn't take over 75% of your earnings from your check for months and months on end. Microsoft doesn't keep their employees' money in their own made up payment processor, making up phoney random reasons not to give them money. Your local supermarket doesn't withhold checks from their employees, and constantly telling them to wait for over 3 months just to get paid. RadioShack doesn't ban all their employees suddenly without warning in a prejuidiced way, telling them they are "a strange breed and difficult to work with". Honestly, I don't see how any person can possibly defend StudioTraffic. They USED to pay, key word being used to. They shold just admit they are running out of funds and are not a real business, stop getting people's hopes up, and just refund memebrs their money so they can move on, instead of giving pep speeches about how StudioTraffic will be around in the year 2086 paying members.

Also, how come anytime people ask where ST gets their money from to "pay" members, they never give a real answer? We all know StudioShopper's ST mugs and cheap watches aren't generating millions upon millions of dollars to pay all the members. We all know tiny omaha steak ads in the right hand corner of the surfbar are not generating nearly enough revenue to sustain ST. Think good and hard about where the money is coming from, and think hard about John's sudden 'referral constest", where he offers money to whoever signs up the most highest paying referrals in a short time.

Tuesday, January 31, 2006

John Horan Caught Being Rude and Nasty to a Fellow ST Member!

Take a look at this. This member of StudioTraffic is asking about the problems concerning her account. She had her withdrawal denied, for NO reason at all! Instead of being understanding or perhaps even helping her or guiding her to get help, John Horan instead is extremely rude to her, telling her that she is lying and that there is nothing wrong with her account. He even goes as far as saying that even if something is wrong with a member's account, it's no big deal, because ST can always just pay another memebr who "needs the money more". Think about that for a second. This woman was asking about her account because she had a problem with it. John then rants at her like she's an idiot, and basically tells her he could care less if she has problems with her account, because he can give the money to some other member.

You know what this means right? Think about it. What if you have a problem with your account, and John decides it doesn't matter, and that he;'ll just give your earnings to someone else? YOUR earnings. If that isn't bad enough, John made an even bigger fool of himself, once the member then posted that she actually was NOT in profit, and was still owed approximately around $340 or so. John went off on some random tangent that has nothing to do with anything like he always does. Sadly, this thread was deleted before anyone could get screenshots of what happened when the woman revealed she was NOT in profit. However, we do have a screenshot of the woman detailing her problem and asking for help, and John being rude and nasty towards her. Look at this people:
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8580/johnhst9xf.jpg
ST members, is that the kind of person you want to support? Someone who is rude and treats the people who made ST successful for all that time like dirt? ST actually was successful up until around September 2005 when John started going crazy enforcing all sorts of bizarre rules and withholding payments from us members. Yet he treats us, the memebrs, the people who made his site well known, like dirt. We do not deserve this, no one does. We can't just sit here while memebr after member gets treated this way by John. How many times have fellow memebrs suffered, only to have the mods delete the thread so no one can even see it? The screenshots speak for themselves.

And in case any ST cheerleaders are reading this and doubting us, we ask this: why is it if ST has nothing to hide, that they consatntly delete any thread asking about money or questioning their practices and revealing the truth? Many other forums have people posting things about them and they leave the threads up, because they have nothing to hide. Someone from ST came onto Talkgold forums, calling it a scam site. Thing is, Talkgold doesn't trick anyone into paying for anything, and Talkgold doesn't delete threads that have criticisms in them. ST is the only forum I know of, besides PIPs, where the mods and admins delete and constantly edit any thread that contains any bit of truth about what is really going on. Please fellow ST members, look past John and his cheerleaders fancy lies, and see what is really going on. John and his cheerleaders say all people do is lie on ST, then what are these screenshots then? Made by magic "anti ST fairies"? Don't fall for John's garbage, these screenshots are real and show you just what kind of site John is running, and just what kind of people those Nazi like mods are.
Please, leave ST while you can, before it gets even worse. We don't want any more people losing money.